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As noted else where in this forum Boise State this year is the latest college with a valid claim that it should be in the BCS Bowl game. Fan, coaches and college are all calling for a playoff series, but is it likely to happen. Recent articles in newspaper and on the web tend to feel it will be 8 years before it's even possible to see that. Why? Because as with everything else, it's tied to money. The same reason that when it gets near the end of the Baseball season you here talk of the network wanting and East/West or North/South series (they fear the public won't watch a good game). I feel that the fans, colleges and players deserve to able to see "THE GAME" between the two best teams and not the one between the two teams likely to bring in the most bucks. Over the last decade or so, we have repeatedly seen teams that should have had a chance to prove they were the National Champions and the BCS Bowl was created to try and provide that. Now it appears the BCS Bowel is trying to protect it's pockets rather then do it's job - PROVIDE US WITH A REAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
Hey Mytime,

Being the HUGE college football fan that I am I felt compelled to reply to this post.....the biggest obstacle to a playoff system in NCAA Division I football is the various universities' administrations....THEY are the ones that are against it...they feel that it will disrupt the student athletes with final exams......and place too much of an emphasis on football......I know that the other divisions do it without difficulty, but for some reason the larger school administrations can't make the change...I have read this several times in the press......I do think that the cry will continue to be loud as ever and eventually a playoff system will come into effect......

I don't think however that Boise State deserves a shot......their schedule was too weak and they beat a questionable OU team.....Had a playoff system been in place, I don't think that they would have been included in an eight team playoff at the end of their regular season....but I did enjoy seeing OU go down!!

Marv MD
mdhillcrna wrote:
Quote:Hey Mytime,

Being the HUGE college football fan that I am I felt compelled to reply to this post.....the biggest obstacle to a playoff system in NCAA Division I football is the various universities' administrations....THEY are the ones that are against it...they feel that it will disrupt the student athletes with final exams......and place too much of an emphasis on football......I know that the other divisions do it without difficulty
Marv,

Below are some excepts from a recent article about the BCS:

[size=3][Delany has largely ignored the coaches' call for a playoff. He readily admits a playoff could be good for Division I-A football at large, but quickly adds, "I don't work for college football at large." -(see the bold italic underline below)[/size]

From Big Ten headquarters in Chicago, Delany presides over a college sports monarchy. The Big Ten is the nation's biggest conference, a collection of 11 universities that covers an area with almost 25 percent of the nation's TV households and prompts television networks to genuflect. When Delany arrived at ESPN's headquarters in Bristol, Conn., this year, employees wore buttons that proclaimed "Bristol is Big Ten Country."

Earlier this year, for example, when Notre Dame's athletic director and the commissioner of the Sun Belt conference devised a plan to modify the BCS, the two men immediately took the idea to Delany.
That's one reason playoff advocates have ventured to the Big Ten headquarters and trotted out plan after plan, all of which Delany has sacked. Never mind that a playoff is used to determine the football champion in Division I-AA, Division II and Division III, not to mention every other sport sanctioned by the NCAA

Polls show more than 50 percent of college football fans favor a playoff. Those percentages figure to spike now that undefeated Ohio State will play in the BCS title game against one-loss Florida rather than Boise State, which improved to 13-0 after its remarkable, highlight-heavy victory over Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

Eventually the consumer will get what he demands, Delany said. But he cites TV ratings and attendance figures as evidence that the consumer has yet to truly demand change.

Defending his assertion, Delany said revenue from college football has grown to $900 million from $200 million since 1990; average attendance for Big Ten games has increased to 71,000 from 58,000 over that same period; and the rising TV ratings and sponsorship dollars suggest the game is as healthy as ever. ]



Basically this article shows that the BCS is more concerned about money then providing a real venue for a true championship game. While we have March Madness for Basketball (which provides good revenues) the powers behind the BCS are unwilling to risk their "cash cow" because of the possibility of losing money (never mind that revenue might go up - they want the cash in hand)


[b]mdhillcrna wrote:
Quote:Hey Mytime,


I don't think however that Boise State deserves a shot......their schedule was too weak and they beat a questionable OU team.....Had a playoff system been in place, I don't think that they would have been included in an eight team playoff at the end of their regular season....but I did enjoy seeing OU go down!!

Marv MD



As far as Boise State I agree with you overall (see my post:

http://www.eroticadultvacation.com/forum39/1281.html )

While Boise had a weaker schedule, they have won all their games - they didn't get to choose who they play, maybe they could have beat Florida or Ohio or others - but they never had a opportunity to prove it. My feeling is a playoff schedule like "March Madness" needs to be put into place, because as I stated before "Any Given Sunday any team could beat any other team"

mytime
mytime wrote:
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While Boise had a weaker schedule, they have won all their games - they didn't get to choose who they play, maybe they could have beat Florida or Ohio or others - but they never had a opportunity to prove it. My feeling is a playoff schedule like "March Madness" needs to be put into place, because as I stated before "Any Given Sunday any team could beat any other team"

mytime

Mytime,

I just don't think a 64 team format is practical in football.......in March Madness you can get that 64 team field down to 16 in one weekend starting on Thursday...you can't do that it football....they play one game per week...I think 8 - 16 teams will be the best as is with other divisions....once again, I still am not sure that Boise State would have been included...these schools in the "weaker" conferences have to play at least one or two "big boys" in non-conference play and defeat them to be allowed into the playoff...IMHO!!

Marv MD
mdhillcrna wrote:
Quote:mytime wrote:
Quote:[b]
My feeling is a playoff schedule like "March Madness" needs to be put into place, because as I stated before "Any Given Sunday any team could beat any other team"

mytime

Mytime,

I just don't think a 64 team format is practical in football.......in March Madness you can get that 64 team field down to 16 in one weekend starting on Thursday...you can't do that it football....they play one game per week...I think 8 - 16 teams will be the best as is with other divisions....once again, I still am not sure that Boise State would have been included...these schools in the "weaker" conferences have to play at least one or two "big boys" in non-conference play and defeat them to be allowed into the playoff...IMHO!!

Marv MD
mdhillcrna,


My key word is "Like", I agree that 64 games is excessive in one weekend - I wasn't suggesting one weekend. However, since "Bowl" games start as early as Thanksgiving and since it's not unusual to have several games the same day, you could have 3 or 4 Divisional playoff games each Saturday (and maybe a couple on Thanksgiving/day after) - giving you 7 to 9 days of playoffs for somewhere between 21 to 36 games. Some "playoffs" could annual events the way the Rose Bowl always was the winner of the Pac 10 vs the Big Ten. As far as being in a "weaker" conference - that happens in professional leagues as well, I remember seeing the winner of one conference having fewer wins the second place in another and they went on to the playoffs while the other team with a better record and harder games stayed home. The argument you are using is the same one people used against BYU several years ago (Before BCS) - people kept saying that they had a weaker schedule then other ranked teams and shouldn't have been awarded the championship title.

Let me ask you (that's everyone reading this) Tho Ohio/Michigan score was 42/39, the USC/UCLA score was 9/13 -- Did you expect as 32/18 USC victory over Michigan considering how well and close Michigan played against Ohio?
Hey mytime,

Ok now....you've struck a "very sensative cord".....I'm a Michigan alumnus.....and you are correct...I was somewhat shocked about the USC/MI score.....USC coaches just flat out-coached Lloyd Carr and the Michigan staff.....also, your comment about the 1984 BYU team is well taken....however, I don't believe BYU deserved it then either....if you remember, QB Robbie Boscoe and BYU beat a very "weak" Bo Schembeckler coached Michigan team....his worst team ever btw (6-6)....his only non-winning season at Michigan.....BYU was the ONLY unbeaten team in Division I that year and sentiment for coach L. Edwards was high so they really "gave" the NC to BYU even though I think most experts would say that there were at least 10 or 12 other teams that would have destroyed BYU.....anyway, that is my very humble opinion.......btw, your not Mormon are you??

Marv MD
mdhillcrna wrote:
Quote:Hey mytime,

Ok now....you've struck a "very sensative cord".....I'm a Michigan alumnus.....and you are correct...I was somewhat shocked about the USC/MI score.....USC coaches just flat out-coached Lloyd Carr and the Michigan staff.....also, your comment about the 1984 BYU team is well taken....however, I don't believe BYU deserved it then either....if you remember, QB Robbie Boscoe and BYU beat a very "weak" Bo Schembeckler coached Michigan team....his worst team ever btw (6-6)....his only non-winning season at Michigan.....BYU was the ONLY unbeaten team in Division I that year and sentiment for coach L. Edwards was high so they really "gave" the NC to BYU even though I think most experts would say that there were at least 10 or 12 other teams that would have destroyed BYU.....anyway, that is my very humble opinion.......btw, your not Mormon are you??

Marv MD

mdchillcrna,

Actually to make things worse - I'm a Sanford/Berkeley fan (again split loyalties) - but it meant I could always root for my team in the early 70's when they beat Ohio & Michigan (I have relatives in both Ohio & Michigan and was in Ohio for the 71 Rose Bowl - BOY DID I TAKE THE HEAT - but the last laugh was on me).

As far as your question about being Mormon - I use to rent rooms to a couple of Mormons who had a female friend that gave me a hard time because I was taking several different ladies to various concerts/plays and other events - after listening to her for several days I finally said:

"Kathy, you have your religion and I have mine"

She asked me what that meant, I replied:

"Yours is Mormon, MINE is MORE WOMEN" :laugh:

BTW : Do you think we are the ONLY college football fans out there or the others can't watch the playoffs and be on the computer at the same time?:jokes:
mdhillcrna wrote:
Quote:Hey mytime,

Ok now....you've struck a "very sensative cord".....I'm a Michigan alumnus.........also, your comment about the 1984 BYU team is well taken....however, I don't believe BYU deserved it then either....if you remember, QB Robbie Boscoe and BYU beat a very "weak" Bo Schembeckler coached Michigan team....his worst team ever btw (6-6)....his only non-winning season at Michigan.....BYU was the ONLY unbeaten team in Division I that year and sentiment for coach L. Edwards was high so they really "gave" the NC to BYU even though I think most experts would say that there were at least 10 or 12 other teams that would have destroyed BYU, that is my very humble opinion.......btw, your not Mormon are you??

Marv MD

mdhillcrna,

I forgot to address the comments about the weak team issue that was raised when BYU won (and one of the reasons for the BCS Bowl). Defenders of BYU were quick to point out that BYU beat a team which in turn had defeated the other teams in the running for the championship - I don't remember the specifics but it boiled down to however beat Michigan was in turn beaten by BYU. I won't argue whether or not BYU should have been awarded the championship - that's to far in the past and before the BCS, but I will argue the way the BCS is setup Boise was being left other an Rutgers was looking at making it.
It's coming up on half time for the BCS Bowl and pointed out before the game started Ohio has not played in 51 days and in my opinion it showed during the first quarter and part of the second. While Florida played 2 more games it's been 32 days since they played. This points out another advantage of having playoff games. I feel that by continuing to play until the end all teams can stay on top of their games. I do recognize the fact that there needs to be a break for finals, but a bye week is not uncommon - in fact maybe two weeks because finals can be spread out over 2 weeks. That may mean some games get played on Friday or Sunday (Yes, I can hear the NFL yelling now).

It's half time now Florida 34 Ohio 14, but it's not over until the last play of the game.

NO I AM NOT rooting for one team or another, this is not my type of game, I enjoyed the Michigan/Ohio and USC/UCLA games much more.
I agree whole-heartedly....this is another reason a playoff system for Division I will happen in my lifetime....hopefully sooner than later....OSU was a different team in November

Marv MD
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